Zal refers to the way in which it is the very Energy of the individual him
or herself that appears as a seemingly external world. A being who has
thus experiences living in a closed off
seemingly separate from a world 'out there', which is experienced as
others, and mistakes the projections of his own senses for objects
existing as separate from this
he clings on to. .... so too, it is the individual's own energy
by that individual's own senses that appears as a world of apparently
external phenomena. (The
Crystal and the Way of Light,
karmic traces that exist in the stream of consciousness or the individual
give rise to what is perceived as a body, voice, and mind, and as external
ABE So, an opening emerges when...
FLORINDA D: ...when that dialogue shuts off. Automatically. We don't have
to do anything. And the reason people reject Castaneda as not true is
because it's too simple. But its sheer simplicity makes it the hardest
thing there is to do for us.
ABE: So here is the image, then, or the awareness of a kind human being
who is traveling a parallel path to the world of the Tonal, or the world
of the person, the social person. This other world, his other opening, is
something that has apparently always been there.
FLORINDA D: Yes, it's always there. It's available to all of us. Nobody
wants to tap into it, or people think they want to tap into it, but as Don
Juan pointed out, the seeker is involved in something else, because a
person who seeks already knows what he's seeking.
The disappointment that so many people who are "seekers" have with
Castaneda is because, when he talks to them, well, they have already made
up their mind how things should be. And they are not open. Even if they're
listening, they're not open to anything anymore, because they already know
how it should be, what it is they're seeking. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda
Donner in Conversation with Alexander Blair-Ewart,
2009/07/12 Sun, sunny, outdoor 27-35°C 唐望故事是操作手冊；禁慾才能獲得能量
FLORINDA D: Yes, exactly, very complex. For Don Juan and his people, to
talk about sorcery and witchcraft, with all those negative connotations,
they couldn't care less what we called the practices. For them it was very
very abstract. To them sorcery is an abstraction, and it was this idea of
expanding the limits of perception. Because, for them, our choices in life
are limited by the social order. We have boundless options, but by
accepting these choices, of course, we set a limit to our limitless
FLORINDA D: ....lost or caged in by the social order. They put blinds on
us the moment we are born. Look at the way we coerce the child to perceive
the way we perceive. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in Conversation
ABE: Why did Castaneda write his books?
FLORINDA D.: Because it was a task; it was a sorceric task. That Don Juan
impressed upon him. Castaneda is the last of his line. There is no one
else. There's a group of Indians that we work with. You see, Don Juan, in
a weird way made almost a mistake with Castaneda, when he first was put in
touch, whatever the design or power of the spirit was which put Don Juan
face to face with Castaneda. And he rallied right away. And then, years
later, Don Juan realizes that that's not the way Castaneda is going.
Castaneda was even more abstract than Don Juan was. His path was a totally
Well, somebody has to get hooked by it. And people do. For us, for our
mentality as the western ape, as Don Juan always called us, you see, we
have to be hooked first intellectually, because obviously that's how our
whole being works.
ABE: So, the knowledge is made available to millions of people, and people
become hooked by it. And does that mean that the tradition has now begun
to proliferate itself in that way, also?
FLORINDA D: I don't know. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in
Conversation with ABE,
get hooked by this tradition
For instance, Castaneda's books spell out very clearly...if you read
Castaneda's books carefully, they're almost
Well, it's very difficult, but it would be a good try, at least to start out
ABE: How do you accumulate energy?
FLORINDA D: To start off with, at least at the beginning, it was Don
Juan's idea that the best energy that we have is our sexual energy. It's
the only energy that we really have, and most of our sexual energy is
It's the same for men and women. The only thing is with women you see that
energetically the woman takes on the burden of feeding the man through
their energetic filaments. So, in that sense, it's worse for women.
(Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in Conversation with ABE,
you can abandon this idea of the self. It's not that you're going to laugh
at others. But you find them despicable, and yet you don't want to judge
them, either. You know, Don Juan always said if some truthful change has
taken place there is no way to be rejected, whatever it means to be
rejected. I don' t know. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in
Conversation with ABE,
ABE: Why would a woman read this book
FLORINDA D: Well, if nothing else, I think people who have been interested
in the Castaneda work, would be interested to see it presented from a
female's perspective, from somebody who has been in that work for over
twenty years. I do approach the problems differently, probably more
directly. The thing is
Even our human
body is, again, a consequence of perception. We are trapped as
we are trapped in language,
and that's exactly what the sorcerer, through energy, wants to get out
of. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in Conversation with ABE,
2009/07/13 Mon, raining/cloudy/sunny, outdoor 28-33°C 《Being-in-Dreaming》：知識跟修行並不衝突
ABE: So, there was the sorcerer's task of writing the books. What I'm
trying to get at is, that this knowledge, just as knowledge, becomes
available now and is available to millions of people in this form. What is
the purpose of that?
FLORINDA D: Well, somebody has to get hooked by it. And people do. For us,
for our mentality as the western ape, as Don Juan always called us, you
see, we have to be hooked first intellectually, because obviously that's
how our whole being works. When I was in school, I was just a step away
from going into graduate school, and l had been in this world for two or
three years, and I said, "What am I doing by continuing school? Why should
I get a PhD.? It's absolutely redundant." And Don Juan and all the women
said it's absolutely not redundant,
because in order to reject something you have to understand it at its most
You can only say it after you have at least have made some attempt to
There's no reason to reject it, and when plunging into this world of the
'second attention' and 'dreaming awake', your mind has to be so well
trained for you to emerge again, to come out with the knowledge. Because
if you have not the brain or the mind to do it, you might as well just go
throw stones in the desert; because it's meaningless. And for them it was
extremely important that all of us are very well trained. Everyone working
within this little group has a degree. There are historians,
anthropologists, librarians. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in
Conversation with ABE,
Sorcerers are bound to their world solely through their impeccability.
Sorcerers have no interest to convert anyone to their views. There are no
gurus or wise men among sorcerers, only naguals. They are the leaders, not
because they know more or because they are in any way better sorcerers,
but simply because they have more energy. I'm not necessarily referring to
physical strength, but to a certain configuration of their being that
permits them to help anyone break the parameters of perception. (Being-in-Dreaming,
BE: Talk about impeccability. What is impeccability?
You know exactly what you have to do.
(Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda Donner in Conversation with ABE,
know something only intuitively is meaningless. Flashes of insight need to
be translated into some coherent thought, otherwise they are purposeless.」（p.
He explained that sorcerers are men of knowledge rather than men of
reason. As such, they are a step ahead of Western intellectual men who
assume that reality—which is often equated with truths—is knowable through
reason. A sorcerer claims that all that is knowable through reason is our
thought processed but that it is only by understanding our total being, at
its most sophisticated and intricate level, that can we eventually erase
the boundaries with which reason defines reality.
Isidoro Baltazar explained to me that sorcerers cultivate the totality of
their being. That is, sorcerers don't necessarily make a distinction
between our rational and our intuitive sides. They
use both to reach the realm of awareness they call silent knowledge, which
lies beyond language, beyond thought.
Sorcerers know that whenever they leap into unknown,
they need to have a well-developed rational side.
Only then will they be able to explain and make sense of whatever they
might bring forth from their journey into the unknown. (Being-in-Dreaming,
"I realize that my words don't make much sense to you. That's because
there is too much crust on you. It prevents you from hearing what the wind
has to say."
"Too much crust?" I asked, puzzled and suspicious. "Do you mean that I'm
"That, too." He smiled and repeated that I was enveloped by too thick a
crust and that this crust couldn't be washed away with soap and water.
"You are filled with judgments," he explained. "They prevent you from
understanding what I'm telling you and that the wind is yours to command."
2009/07/14 Tue, raining/cloudy, indoor 31.1°C 《Being-in-Dreaming》：巫士寫作法
free from wanting anything，她跟小佛琳達說：「一旦成為巫士家族的一員，而開始抓住夢的本質，妳就能瞭解巫術究竟為何，這份瞭解讓妳自由。」（p.
He insisted I bring him the paper. I did. He spread out the pages all
around him, some on the mat, others on the dusty ground, then retrieved
from his shirt pocket a pair of metal-rimmed glasses and put them on.
"You're only paraphrasing what you have read," the caretaker continued. "I
demand you rely more on your own opinions, even if they contradict what is
expected of you."
"If you want to draw strength from the sorcerers' world, you can no longer
work under such premise. Ulterior motives are not acceptable in this
magical world of ours. If you want to be a graduate student, then you have
to behave like a warrior, not like a woman who had been trained to please.
You know, even when you are beastially nasty, you strive to please. Now,
whenever you write, since you were not trained to do writing, you can
certainly adopt a new mood: the warriors' mood."
"What do you mean by the warriors' mood?" I asked. "Do I have to fight my
"Not your professors," he said. "You have to fight yourself. Every inch of
the way. And you have to do it so artfully and so cleverly that no one
will notice your struggle." (Being-in-Dreaming,
"Didn't you notice how I did it? I picked the thoughts out of thin air. I
simply stretched my energy fibers and hooked those thoughts, as one hooks
fish with a fishing line, from the immeasurable ocean of thoughts and
ideas that is out there." He made a wide gesture with his arms, as though
to encompass the very air around him. (Being-in-Dreaming,
The fog was denser now. It closed around me with very breath I drew. It
seeped inside me, filling me with a deep excited feeling of lightness and
lucidity, Guided by some invisible source, I sat at the table and spread
out the pages all around me. Right under my watchful eyes the entire
structure of my paper emerged, superimposing itself on my original draft
like a double exposure on a frame of film.
I lost myself in admiration of the skilled development of the themes. As
if they were being maneuvered by some invisible hand that thought and
wrote, the paragraphs rearranged themselves imposing a new order. I was
all so gorgeously clear and simple that I laughed out of joy.
"Write it dome."
The words echoed softly in the room. Curious, I glanced all around me, but
I saw no one. Knowing that whatever I was experiencing was definitely more
than a dream, I reached for my notepad and a pencil and began to write
with a furious speed. Ideas came to me with an incredible clarity and
ease. They pulsated in my head and in my body like sound waves. I
simultaneously heard and saw the words. Yet it wasn't my eyes or my ears
that perceived what was there before me. Rather, it was some filaments
within me that were reaching out and, kike some noiseless vacuum cleaner,
sucking up the word shining before me like dust particles. (Being-in-Dreaming,
2009/07/15 Wed, sunny, outdoor 33-31°C, indoor 30.1°C 《Being-in-Dreaming》：巫士時間觀
After a while, the order superimposed on my paper began to blur. One by
one the lines faded away. Desperately, I tried to hold on to this splendid
structure, knowing that it would all vanish without a trace. Only the
memory of my awareness of that magnificent lucidity remained. And then
that, too, was extinguished, as if a candle had been blown out. A curl of
fog, as fine as a thread, lingered in the room. Then it withdrew in little
ripples, and an oppressive darkness closed in around me. I was so drained,
I knew I was going to faint.
I didn't even bother to look up, knowing that I wouldn't be able to see
anyone. With great effort, I rose from my chair and staggered to my bed. (Being-in-Dreaming,
"Sorcerers break time's flux," Florinda answered my thoughts. "Time, in
the fashion we measure it, doesn't exist when one dreams the way sorcerers
dream. Sorcerers stretch or compress time at will. For sorcerers, time is
not a matter of minutes or hours or days but an altogether different
dreaming-awake, our perceptual faculties are heightened.
However, when it comes to perceiving time, something altogether different
happens. The perception of time does not become heightened but is canceled
out completely." She added that time is always a factor of consciousness;
that is, to be aware of time is a psychological state that we
automatically transform into physical measurements. It is so ingrained in
us that we can hear, even when we are not consciously aware of it, a clock
ticking inside us, subliminally
keeping track of time. (Being-in-Dreaming,
"In dreaming-awake, that capacity is absent," she emphasized. "A
thoroughly new, unfamiliar structure which somehow is not tobe understood
or interpreted as we normally do with time, takes over."
"Then all I will ever consciously know about dreaming-awake is that time
has either been stretched or compressed," I said.
"You will understand a great deal more than that. Once you become adept at
entering heightened awareness, as Mariano Aureliano
calls it, you'll be aware then of whatever you wish because sorcerers are
not involved in measuring time. They are involved in using it, in
stretching or compressing it at will." (Being-in-Dreaming,
"If I am, what did I do to reach this state? What steps did I take."
didn't let yourself be your usual self. That is the key that opens doors.」唐望也說達成做夢的巫士，必然已經放降低自我重要感以及停止內在對話到相當程度。
"We have told you many times and in many ways that sorcery is not at usual
self is sorcery's most complex secret sounds like idiocy, but it isn't. It
is the key to power, therefore the most difficult thing a sorcerer does.
And yet, it isn't something complex or impossible to understand. It
doesn't boggle the mind, and for that reason no one can even suspect its
importance or take it seriously.
"Judging by the result of your latest dreaming-awake, I can say that you
have accumulated enought energy, through preventing yourself from being
your usual self." (Being-in-Dreaming,
2009/07/21 Tue, sunny, outdoor 37-34°C
even with the aid of sorcery. You should know that without the preliminary
reading, the note taking, and the writing and rewriting, you should never
been able to recognize the structure and order of your term paper in
"To reach a degree of knowledge, sorcerers work twice as hard as normal
people. Sorcerers have to make sense of the everyday world as well as the
magical world. To accomplish that, they have to highly skilled and
sophisticated, mentally as well as physically." (Being-in-Dreaming,
simple and effortless，她只是看到報告的一個新版本，然後把它照抄下來。而奈莉達解釋說，即是是這樣已經花費所有的力氣，因為「While
dreaming-awake, you channeled all your energy into a single purpose. All
your concern and effort went into finishing your paper. Nothing else
mattered to you at the moment. You had no other thoughts to interfere with
"Quite naturally so, for his knowledge is by far moor vast than yours.
"Guided by his suggestions, and according to your own capacities, you saw
what your paper ought to read like. That's what you wrote down.
"While dreaming-awake, we have access to hidden resources, which we never
use ordinarily," Nelida said, going on to explain thtat, the instant I saw
my paper, I remembered the clues the caretaker had given me. (Being-in-Dreaming,
dreaming-awake, we have access to direct knowledge.」奈莉達再補充：「Dreaming-awake
should have made you realized that you have, as all women do, a unique
capacity to receive knowledge directly.」（p.
build knowledge step by step」、「men
cone toward the spirit; they cone up toward knowledge」；而女人剛好顛倒，「Women
are able to open themselves directly to the source, or the source reaches
connection to knowledge is expansive」。看不懂，對不對？結論：
Men are close to the concrete, and aim at the abstract.
Women are close to the abstract and yet try to indulge themselves with the
2009/07/25 Sat, raining, indoor 31.9°C
"What does it mean to use the womb?" I interjected
"And how is it done?"
"You are a woman," Esperanza said softly.. "You know how to feel with your
"In order to focus your attention with your womb, get an object and put it
on your belly or rub it on your genitalia
at my look of dismay
then, in between fits of laughter, chided
me, "I wasn't that bad. I could have said that you need to smear 塗抹 the
object with your juices
but I didn't." (Being-in-Dreaming, p. 279)
"Once you establish a deep familiarity with the object, it'll always be
there to serve you as a bridge."
men, feeling originate in the brain." Esperanza
about it. A woman is heartless except with her brood
because her feelings are coming from her womb."
"You're a stalker, and you belong, by all rights to Florinda. You also a
and a great natural dreamer, and by virtue of your ability, you also
belong to me."
am Zuleica. Esperanza is my other self. Sorcerers call it the dreaming body.」（p.
guts and mind，如此才能「act
on our magical side」，那是什麼呢？又是子宮！我真為婦女長個瘤隨隨便便就被婦科醫生摘除子宮感到難過，我曾看過報導，說手術中有百分之七十的子宮都是沒必要摘除的。
"The womb is the ultimate feminine organ. It is the womb that gives women
that extra edge, that extra force to channel their energy."
She explained that men, in their quest for supremacy, have succeeded in
reducing woman's mysterious power, her womb, to a strictly biological
organ, whose only function is to reproduce, to carry man's seed. (p. 251)
Nelida rose, "Do you know the story of the Annunciation
she whispered in my ear.
She proceeded to tell me that in the Judeo-Christian tradition, men are
the only ones who hear the voice of God. Women have been excluded from
with the exception of the Virgin Mary.
Nelida said that an angel whispering to Mary was, of course, natural. What
wasn't natural was the fact that all the angel had to say to Mary was that
she would bear the son of God. The womb did not receive knowledge
but rather the promise of God's seed. A male god, who engendered another
male god in turn.
"What about the male socerers?" I asked. "They don't have a womb, yet they
are clearly connected to the spirit."
Esperanza whispered," Sorcerers are able to align themselves to intent, to
the spirit, because they have given up what specifically defines their
masculinity. And they are no longer males." (p. 251)
FLORINDA D: The new seers? For the women it is very important, this idea
that the womb is not just an organ of reproduction. In order to activate
this, our intent has to be different. In order to change our intent we go
back again to energy. You see, we don' t really know what it means to use
the womb as an organ for being, an organ of light, of intuition. For us,
intuition really is something that has already been defined. There is no
real intuition anymore, because we intuit with our brains. Don Juan was
interested in women, and people always ask, "Well, how come there are
always so many women? Do you have orgies? Is there all kinds of stuff
going on?" He said, "No, it's because the male doesn't have the womb. He
needs that magical 'womb power' (laughter). " It's very important, you
ABE: Let me ask some technical questions there, if I may, on behalf of my
female readers. Does the womb have to be fully functioning? I mean, if a
woman had her tubes tied, would her womb still work?
FLORINDA D: Yes, as long as she doesn't have a hysterectomy.
ABE: So long as the womb isn't removed...
FLORINDA D: ...if the womb is there, yes. (Being-in-Dreaming: Florinda
Donner in Conversation with Alexander Blair-Ewart, Dimension, Feb. 1992)
2009/07/26 Sun, cloudy, indoor 30.9°C
oneself with intent
because they have a womb, can focus their attention with great facility on
something outside their dreams while dreaming. That's precisely what you
have been doing all along, unbeknownst
to yourself. The object become a bridge that connects you to intent.」（p.
"It's an optical illusion?"
"It's a lovely ring. It's a magnificent gift. Didn't you notice the ring
before?" the caretaker asked.
"You've been wearing that ring since Florinda gave it to you."
"The ring in itself has no power, regardless of who made it," Florinda
assured me. "The power was in making. The nugual who made this ring was
aligned so thoroughly with what sorcerers call intent that he was able to
produce this lovely jewel without him being a a jeweler. The ring was an
act of pure intent. You will use the ring to align
yourself with intent." (Being-in-Dreaming,
aligning oneself with intent，連上意願，老佛琳達解釋說：「You
might not know what the word means, but something in you intuits how to tap
the force. She whispered that I had always used intent to move from dream to
reality or to bring my dream—whatever it might have been—to reality.」後者就是小佛琳達的
"The inventions frighten you, and the ring delights you. Since both are
dreams, it can easily be the reverse . . .This , dear, is a world of
dreams. We are teaching you how to bring them about all by yourself, At
the moment, all the sorcerer of the nagual Mariano Aureliano's party help
you enter into this world and are helping you to stay in it now.
You are the same but in a different world. Energy that comes from your
savings and from the loan all of us made you." (Being-in-Dreaming,
2009/08/19 Wed, cloudy , outdoor 36-32°C°
The nugaul Mariano Aureliano had once told me that sorcerers, when they
talk among themselves, speak of sorcery as a bird; they call it the bird
of freedom. They say that the bird of freedom only flies in a straight
line and never comes around twice. They also say that it is the nuagual
who lures the bird of freedom. It is he who entices the bird to shed its
shadow on the worrior's path. Without that shadow, there is no direction.
had lost the nagual and, without him, all hope and purpose. And what
weighted the most my heart was that the bird of freedom flew away so fast it
didn't give me time to thank them properly, didn't give me time to express
my endless admiration.」（pp.
How can it be possible that they vanished like that? A meaningless,
superfluous 不必要的 question,
considering what I had experienced and witnessed in their world. All it
revealed was my true nature: meek 懦弱 and
doubting. For the sorcerers had told me for years that
their ultimate purpose was to burn, to disappear, swallowed by the force
The old nagual and his party of sorcerers were ready, but I didn't know
They had been preparing themselves nearly all their lives for the ultimate
that they sneak
past death—as we ordinarily know death to be—and cross over into the
enhancing, without breaking, the unity of their total energy.
My regret was most intense upon recalling how my usual
would emerge when I least expected it. I was not that I didn't believe
otherworldly, yet so practical aim and purpose. Rather, I would explain
integrate them, make them fit into the everyday world of common sense—not
quite, perhaps, but certainly coexisting with what was normal and familiar
to me. (Being-in-Dreaming,
"Tears are meaningless for sorcerers. When you joined the sorcerers' world
you were mad to understand that the designs of fate, no matter what they
are, are merely challenges that a sorcerer must face without resentment or
Why don't you heed my suggestion and behave impeccably regardless of your
You don't need the nagual to be an impeccable
sorceress. Your impeccability should lead you to him even if he's no
longer in the world.
To live impeccably within your circumstance is your challenge.
Whether you see Isidoro Baltazar tomorror or in a year or at the end of
your life should make no difference to you." (Being-in-Dreaming,
2009/08/20 Thur, sunny , outdoor 34-31°C°
"The world of sorcerers is a world of solitariness, yet in it, love
forever. Like my love for the nugaul Julian. We move in the world of
sorcerers all by ourselves, accounting only for our acts, our feelings,
our impeccability. I've no longer any feelings. Whatever I had went away
with the nagual Julian. All I have left is my sense of will, of duty, of
is your impeccable purpose? What happened to all the things you've learned
in sympathy of others or in self-pity」。
"To be in the sorcerers' world one has to dream superbly. Most people
don't have the wits nor the size of spirit to dream. They cannot help but
see the world as ordinary and repetitious. And do you know why? Because if
you don't fight to avoid it, the world is indeed ordinary and repetitious.
Most people are so involved with themselves that they have become idiotic.
Idiots have no desire to fight to avoid ordinariness and repetitiousness."
(Being-in-Dreaming, p. 297)
was a sorcerers' dream, a vision.」（p.
cannot be attached to the nagual as a person, but only as a mythical being.」（pp.
"Only if the nagual is supported and upheld by his fellow dreamers can he
lead them into other viable worlds from which he can entice the bird of
You have witness how the old nagual, as well as Isidoro Baltazar, by their
mere presence, affect whoever is around them, be it their fellow sorcerers
or just bystanders, making them aware that the world is a mystery where
nothing can be taken for granted under any circumstances." (Being-in-Dreaming,
For a long time I had been at a loss to understand how naguals could, by
their mere presence, make such difference. After careful observation,
comparing opinions with others, and endless introspection, I concluded
that their influence stemmed from their renunciation
of worldly concerns. In our daily world, we also have examples of men and
women who have left worldly concerns behind. We call them mystics, saints,
religious people. But nuguals are neither mystics nor saints and are
certainly not religious men. Naguals are worldly men without a shred of
worldly concerns. (Being-in-Dreaming, p. 300)
men without a shred of worldly concerns」描述起來就好像大圓滿行者，總是過著不為人知的生活，特別是大師們貌如